生命有质的进步，贵在征服自己

主持人：我们的主题叫“遇见自己”，其实这话挺悖论的，每个人都是自己，但为什么还要寻找自己、遇见自己？简言之，是否就是你把自己丢了。

Moderator: Our theme is ‘meeting oneself’ – something which is counter-intuitive in fact. Why do we need to search for and meet ourselves if we are ourselves? In short, have you lost yourself?

我也是感觉把自己丢了很长时间，才觉得我很丢人。我特别诚心地希望三位高人与我们一起来分享他们的人生经验，包括弘一大师，能够把自己找回来。我们请三位做我们的好导游，好不好？

I also feel it has been a very long time since I lost myself. As such, I feel ashamed. I especially and honestly hope that the three exceptional persons here today could share with us their life experiences, including those of Master Hong-Yi, such that we are able to find ourselves again. Shall we invite them to be our guides?

观众：好。

Audience: Yes.

主持人：那就从“遇见”开始吧。现在再来详细介绍一下传喜法师：传喜法师走到哪，就给哪里带来一种欢欣和喜悦，这是大家 公认的一个评价，甚或现在他不需要走到哪，看过他的网络电视台和各种媒体的各种弘法的有缘人，或看过他文章或听过他讲话的，海内外的有缘人，都可感受到一种发自内心的喜悦。

Moderator: Let us start with ‘meeting’ then. I shall now introduce Master Chuan-Xi in a more detailed manner. The consensus among everyone is that wherever he goes, he would bring happiness and joy with him. He does not even need to go anywhere now. Whenever people - from either this country or overseas - who have a karmic connection with him -watch him on the internet and in the reporting in the other forms of media, read the essays that he has written, or listen to him teach, there is sense of genuine joy to which is given rise in them.  

那么，现在请教传喜法师：“弘一大师”的话剧，有大量的情节在描写大师闭关、研读，为什么我们在遇见您的时候，您大多在路上或是在机场、火车站呢？

So, let us ask Master Chuan-Xi: We learn from the theatrical play Master Hong-Yi that a large part of Master Hong-Yi’s life was spent meditating and studying. Why is it that for Master Chuan-Xi, he is mostly seen to be always on the road, in the airport or at the train terminal?

传喜法师：我们如果想要了解弘一大师，最好要分在家和出家两个阶段来看。在中国近百年的文化发展史中，弘一大师李叔同是学界公认的通才、奇才，作为中国新文化运动的先驱，他最早将西方油画、钢琴、话剧等引入国内，且以擅书法、工诗词、通丹青、达音律、精金石、善演艺而驰名于世。

Master Chuan-Xi: The best way for us to understand Great Master Hong-Yi is to view his life in two parts: the time when he was still a householder and the time during which he had renounced his household life. It has been academically acknowledged that Master Hong-Yi was a multi-talented genius and a pioneer of the New Culture Movement in the history of the development of Chinese culture in the last century, for he was the one who first introduced Western oil painting, piano, and theatre to the Chinese. Not only that, he was famous in the world for being well-versed in Chinese calligraphy, poetry, Chinese painting, music, tablet engraving, and acting.

李叔同的传统文化造诣非常深厚。他所处的那个年代，正值中西方文化激烈碰撞，甚或你死我活交锋的一个历史时期，不像现在的和平交流，他自然而然会去思考个人乃至家国的前途命运。

The level of skill Li Shu-Tong (Master Hong-Yi) achieved in traditional culture is extremely high. The time in which he lived was one during which there was a violent clash between the culture of the East and that of the West – so violent that it was fight to the death; much unlike the exchange we are conducting in peace now. This led Master Hong-Yi to not only ponder over the future of the individual but that of the nation as well.

他一直在苦苦地思索、追寻。他在虎跑定慧寺断食，解决了个人的思想问题，同时也唤醒了自身内在的生命力，达到了一种空灵，实现了精神和肉体的平衡，从郁闷纠结中脱然而出，找到了生命的方向。他所追寻的这个生命方向，既是个体的、家国的，同时也是这个躁动世界的。所以，他毅然辞去了老师这样一个高贵的职业，向着更为高贵的——“心灵导师”的生命高峰，超然攀登而上。

He was always tirelessly contemplating and searching. He went on a fast in Hu Pao Ding Hui Monastery and resolved the self-doubts he had, awakening at the same time the life force that was in him, such that a state of ungraspable fluidity was reached in which was achieved the equilibrium of his mind and his body. He was then able to free himself from the bind of depression and find the direction of his life. This direction of his life was not one the sake of which was only for himself and the country, it was also for the agitated world. As such, he resolved to resign from his job as a highly-respected teacher and aspire to rise up and do something much more nobler, something that would be the highlight of his life - a guide of the soul.

他有体系地演习、实践佛教。儒教说“没有规矩不成方圆”。他在佛教里找到了非常行之有效的方法：“律宗”。他觉得这整个世界都需要行为准则：从个体到群体，到社会再到世界，他精研其中，然后把这些感悟告诉给大家。这让我们想起孔子的话：“七十而从心所欲，不逾矩。”

In training systematically, he had put Buddhism into practice. It is said in Confucianism that ‘one can neither draw a square without a ruler nor a circle without a compass’. He had found a very effective and practical method in the Buddhist ‘school of the precepts’. He felt that the whole world needed standards of conduct whether these related to the individual, groups of people, the society, or the world at large; and he made in-depth studies into this school so he could share his experiences with everyone. This reminds me of what Confucius once said, that ‘he could, at the age of seventy, follow the desires of his mind without transgressing the standards of conduct.’

我们看到，在严谨的自我要求中，他获得了内心的极大解放，最后迎来了“花枝春满，天心月圆”这样一种最高的生命境界。他给予我们的启发，不仅是个人的，也是我们这个社会和国家的一笔财富。这个话题具有永恒的价值。

We see that in his having set for himself stringent standards of conduct, he was rewarded with great spiritual freedom, and was finally able to live a kind of existence that was the noblest – in which ‘spring was bursting on the tip of flowers, and the moon full in the middle of the sky’. He has not only inspired us individually, but he is also an asset to our society and the world. There is a value which is eternal to this subject.

弘一大师是在寻找解决家国前途的一种真实方法，他给我们留下了太多的精神财富 , 其精神不朽。我们游老 80 多岁了，至今还在饰演弘一大师，还在传递着弘一大师的人格魅力。

That which Master Hong-Yi had searched for was a practical method to deal with the problem of the future of our homeland. He left us with much spiritual wealth and his spirit will live forever. Our Elder You who is already more than 80 of age still plays the role of Master Hong-Yi, and in so doing, enables Master Hong-Yi’s charisma to live on.

刚才主持人问，为什么我在路上呢？经常会在机场、火车站遇到我呢？

Just now, the moderator was asking me why I am on the road as I am always seen in the airport and the train terminal.

佛教，是经过人类几千年历史检验的智慧，其成熟的思想是需要传递的。我在火车上，常常也有人会禁不住上前来问：师父，能跟您聊两句吗？聊着聊着就发现：原来佛教是这样子的，那我怎么早不知道呢？您怎么不早说呢……佛法的弘扬是随机的。在寺里是修与传，在路上也是修与传。

Buddhism is the wisdom that has been tried and tested during the last few thousand years of human history, the well-developed system of thinking of which needs to be passed down. Whenever I am on the train, there will invariably be people who cannot stop themselves from coming up to me to ask, ‘Master, can I speak with you briefly?’ After we have chatted, they would conclude, ‘So this is Buddhism; why have I not known and let you tell me this earlier?’ The teaching of the Dharma is something which is expedient; not only do we practise and propagate the Dharma in the monastery, we do the same on the road as well.

所以我们要奔波呐喊，甘愿去做一个佛教的宣传者，甚或去做一个报童、一个端盘子的。

And so it is that we bustle around and call out; to rather be a propagator of Buddhism or even a paper boy or someone who carries plates.

这个过程，我们也乐在其中，也在自我调整。只有在帮助别人的时候，才会发现最需要帮助的原来是自己。因为总是在去帮助别人的时候才发现，我们自己的心力、能力、财力等都是那么匮乏。所以，这个过程也成为我个人的一种修行，这种修法是自然而随机的。去帮助别人的时候，我本人是第一个得利益者。

At the same time as we enjoy ourselves during this process, we make self-adjustments. It is only when we help others that we discover that the one who needs help the most is ourselves. This is because it is often when we go about helping others that we discover that our will, ability, wealth and so on are much limited. As such, this process is also a kind of personal practice for ourselves, and it is one which is natural and expedient. I will be the first to derive benefits when I help others.

主持人：法师非常自谦，常说自己是一个非主流中的非主流，怀揣愚诚，刚才也说一直在做端盘子的工作。我想问一下法师，到了山东，来到济南、临沂等地，您觉得这个盘子端得怎样？

                                              Moderator: The master is very self-deprecating for he is always saying that he is the furthest from the mainstream among those who are already not in the mainstream, and that he has only simplicity of mind and sincerity of heart. As he was going on about carrying plates just now, I would like to ask the master, since having been here to Shandong and places like Jinan and Linyi, how he feels about carrying this ‘plate’? 

传喜法师：这是第一次到临沂，临沂给我留下了特别深刻的印象。我们看到了“沂蒙精神”，会想到“独轮车精神”：沂蒙山的乡亲们曾和千百万翻身农民一道，用独轮车推出了大半个新中国。

Master Chuan-xi: This is the first time I am here in Linyi and it has left a particularly strong impression on me. Having seen the ‘spirit of Yimeng’, we are reminded of the story of the wheelbarrow in which the residents of the hills in Yimeng aligned themselves with millions of farmers in revolt to create a new China using the wheelbarrow.

中国有句老话：忠臣良相必出于孝子之门。在《二十四孝图》里，我们临沂就占了“七孝”，“王翔卧鲤”、闵子骞“芦衣顺母”的故事就出自这里。

There is an old saying in China that loyal officials and decent ministers must have come from families in which there is much filial piety. In The Painting of the Twenty-four Filial Pieties, seven of the depicted pieties relate to Linyi, and the stories of Wang Xiang lying on the ice to pray for carp fish for his step-mother and Min Zi-Qian still being filial to his step-mother despite having been given by her clothing made of reed to wear in the winter have their origins here.

“孝”是中华民族的传统美德、是文化之精髓，是中国社会维系家庭关系的道德准则。“孝”也是需要培养的。天底下对我们恩德最大的莫过于父母，了解父母的恩德是必需的。父母对我们的爱是本能，而我们去认识父母对我们的爱却需要一个理智的观察。这种教育来自于圣贤教育的启迪。

Filial piety is a traditional virtue of the Chinese - it is at the core of our culture, and the standard of morality upon which family ties in the Chinese society are maintained. Filial piety needs to be inculcated as well. The people from whom we benefit the most are none other than our parents. We need to understand the benefaction they have given us. The love of our parents for ourselves is instinctive whereas our attempt at understanding their love for us needs to be the result of rational observation. This kind of education comes from the inspiration of the teachings of the sages and the virtuous ones.

在孔夫子的七十二贤人中，临沂占有十三位。可见，是源远流长的圣贤文化，荫庇出一代一代具有“沂蒙精神”、“独轮车精神”这样的后世子孙，这也证明圣贤文化在今天仍然枝繁叶茂、开花结果。

Among Confucius’s 72 Virtuous Ones, 13 of them came from Linyi. We can see that it is the age-old culture of the virtuous that has nurtured generation upon generation of such descendants who possess the ‘spirit of Yimeng’ and the ‘spirit of the wheelbarrow’. This also goes to show that the culture of the sages and the virtuous ones is still presently thriving and flourishing, blossoming and bearing fruit.

来到此地，我首先深受感染、深受启发，所以盘子端到这里的时候，我首先得到了这样子的一个教育。

Having come here, I have been deeply influenced first and foremost, and very much inspired. As such, this is the lesson I first receive when I carry the plate here.

昨天，在甘露寺跟大家分享了王羲之的《兰亭序》。王羲之被尊为书圣 , 是临沂人的骄傲，《兰亭序》被奉为天下第一书 , 家喻户晓。这两天天清气朗，暮春之初，惠风和畅，恰是《兰亭序》里描写的时节和景况。所以，我们分享了《兰亭序》这篇文章的涵义，我们大家一起徜徉在圣贤文化中，沐浴在先人的智慧里，疏瀹五脏，澡雪精神，是一种幸福。

At Gan Lu Monastery yesterday, I shared with everybody Wang Xi-Zhi’s Preface at Orchid Pavilion. Being honoured as the sage of calligraphy, Wang Xi-Zhi is the pride of the people of Linyi; and Preface at Orchid Pavilion which is known by everyone, is regarded as the foremost masterpiece in Chinese calligraphy. That the sky was clear and the air fresh, the breeze gentle and the weather favourable during those two days in the beginning of late spring is a spot-on description of that time of the year and the setting being depicted in Preface at Orchid Pavilion. Therefore, the aim of my sharing Preface at Orchid Pavilion with everybody is to enable everyone to enjoy the blessing of being immersed together in the culture of the sagely and the virtuous ones, and to be submerged in the wisdom of our forefathers, such that our body can be cleansed and our spirit pacified. This is a kind of happiness.

主持人：您好像把盘子都端到泰山顶上了，为勉励所有的登山者及一切有志善业者，传喜法师专门写了一首诗，题为《致登泰山者》，诗云：

                                              Moderator: It seems you have even carried the plate to the peak of Mount Tai to offer his encouragement to all mountain climbers and those in the service of charitable organizations, Master Chuan-Xi has written a poem titled To the One Ascending Mount Tai. It reads:

中华帝王山，拔地通霄汉。

The mountain of Chinese emperors and kings, It rises from the ground and penetrates into the heavens.

天街碧霞境，岱庙阴阳间。

The Street of Heaven is where The Primordial Sovereign of the Coloured Clouds of Dawn dwells;

And the Dai Temple, where the realms of yin and yang meet.  

策杖红门始，七千十八盘。

One begins the ascent from Hong Men, Travelling seven thousand steps and eighteen bends.

自古圣贤路，其难比登天。

This is the path of the sagely and virtuous ones since the ancient times; And it is more difficult than to ascend the heavens.

但怀凌云志，定得证金仙。

However, harbouring aspirations that are higher than the clouds;

One’s transformation into gold is certain.

在传播正能量、传播善法的过程中，一定会遇到很多像登泰山一样很困难的事情，先从法师这儿分享一下，您遇到的最大的困难是怎样的，又怎样把这个事情圆满解决掉的？

In the process of spreading positive energy and wholesomeness, there will for certain be many difficulties like those one will encounter when one attempts to climb Mount Tai. We would like to first have the master share with us as to what was the greatest difficulty he had and how he was able to overcome that difficulty completely.

传喜法师：我们人越要做事情的时候，越会发现自己能力的有限。我师父 悟 道大和尚，祖上是做御医的，所以他就用医来做比。他说：学医一年包治百病，学医十年寸步难行。师父觉得所有的病都不是那么简单的。

Master Chuan-Xi: The more we attempt to do the things we set out to do, the more we find that our abilities are limited. Since his ancestors were doctors of the royal families, my teacher Master Wu-Dao used the practice of medicine as a metaphor and said, ‘One who has practised medicine for a year is confident to cure all illnesses; one who has practised for 10 years finds it hard to even move an inch.’ My master felt that all illnesses are not that simple.

做事情也是这样。我们看问题看得还不透时，会发现这个事情很简单。一旦你去做，身临其境时，会发现错综复杂，在这个困难当中首先要克服的就是自己。面临错综复杂的情况时，你能保持方寸不乱；在逆境面前能保持不怨天尤人；别人肯定时，能不迷失自我、保持清醒的状态……善缘是种种因缘的聚合，在荣誉面前知道自己是最大的受益者，又感恩所有的因缘成就。

It is the same when we try to accomplish something. We find a task simple when we do not fully understand the problem at hand. It is only when we attempt to accomplish it and put ourselves in that predicament that we find everything to be not as simple as it seems. We find that it is ourselves that we need to firstly overcome when difficulties arise. We need to be able to keep our steely composure whenever we find ourselves in a situation in which everything seems so complicated, not to put the blame on others when we find ourselves in dire straits, not to be lost in ourselves but still be in an awakened state whenever others affirm us, honourably understand that it is us ourselves who benefit the most when all wholesome causes and conditions have come together, and be grateful for that which has resulted from the coming together of those causes and conditions.

古人认为，谦虚令人进步，自满令人失败。山都是人爬的，爬任何一座山，当你放弃的时候，山比你高；你的毅力、你的智慧、你的坚持，能够一览众山小，你就比山高。我觉得做人做事情，一定要看清楚自己，不可半途而废。

According to the ancients, humility enables a person to get better while self-complacency leads to failure. Humans scale mountains, and whenever we give up climbing a mountain whichever that might be, that mountain will be taller than us. When your will, wisdom and perseverance are greater than the mountains, you will then be taller than the mountains. I feel that we need to understand ourselves clearly whenever we deal with people or do things; we should not give up halfway. 

俗语说：是骡子是马，拉出来遛遛。否则，你闭门造车，不知道天高地厚。在做事当中，确实会让我们的生命有质的进步，最难的就是征服自己。

A saying goes that the only way to find out whether an animal is a mule or a horse is to take it out for a stroll. Otherwise, you would only be making a carriage within closed doors, not understanding how the world is outside. As we set out to accomplish things, there will always be opportunities for us to make improvements to the quality of our lives. The greatest difficulty is the overcoming of ourselves.

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